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	<title>Comments on: Love the Lord with all your heart or mind? &#8211; Doctrinal devotion (part 2)</title>
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		<title>By: Bryan Barley</title>
		<link>http://unlikelychristians.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/love-the-lord-with-all-your-heart-or-mind-doctrinal-devotion-part-2/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Barley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alan - 

I think what you just wrote is incredibly perceptive and probably deserves its own post in this series. There is nothing like being able to study the Scriptures ourselves in such a way that frees us from parroting the ideas of others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alan &#8211; </p>
<p>I think what you just wrote is incredibly perceptive and probably deserves its own post in this series. There is nothing like being able to study the Scriptures ourselves in such a way that frees us from parroting the ideas of others.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 12:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryan,

Thank you for this series. There is at least one problem that I have found associated with &quot;doctrinal books&quot;, especially when it comes to seminary students (since that is currently one of my environments). Many times, people study these doctrinal books, and accept what is said (or don&#039;t accept) based on the author without spending the time to study Scripture and think about the concepts themselves. This is just as dangerous and just as unhelpful in our understanding and obedience to God as not reading the doctrinal books in the first place. In fact, in many &quot;sermons&quot; I have found that people tend to quote their favorite author(s) more than Scripture. This is not good doctrinal study... this is lazy doctrinal study.

-Alan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryan,</p>
<p>Thank you for this series. There is at least one problem that I have found associated with &#8220;doctrinal books&#8221;, especially when it comes to seminary students (since that is currently one of my environments). Many times, people study these doctrinal books, and accept what is said (or don&#8217;t accept) based on the author without spending the time to study Scripture and think about the concepts themselves. This is just as dangerous and just as unhelpful in our understanding and obedience to God as not reading the doctrinal books in the first place. In fact, in many &#8220;sermons&#8221; I have found that people tend to quote their favorite author(s) more than Scripture. This is not good doctrinal study&#8230; this is lazy doctrinal study.</p>
<p>-Alan</p>
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		<title>By: Some Recent Writing &#171; aGCb // the gospel, biblical theology, missions, SEC football</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Recent Writing &#171; aGCb // the gospel, biblical theology, missions, SEC football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] blog, Gospel, Jesus, recommendations, religion, writing by Bryan Barley   In case anyone missed it, my most recent essay over at Unlikely Christians is up, continuing a discussion of &#8220;doctrinal devotion,&#8221; or, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] blog, Gospel, Jesus, recommendations, religion, writing by Bryan Barley   In case anyone missed it, my most recent essay over at Unlikely Christians is up, continuing a discussion of &#8220;doctrinal devotion,&#8221; or, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Barley</title>
		<link>http://unlikelychristians.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/love-the-lord-with-all-your-heart-or-mind-doctrinal-devotion-part-2/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Barley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that&#039;s a good approach - I try to emphasize the same with people. Studying passage (thought unit) by passage for depth, while at the same time reading several chapters at a time to keep in mind the larger narrative of Scripture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s a good approach &#8211; I try to emphasize the same with people. Studying passage (thought unit) by passage for depth, while at the same time reading several chapters at a time to keep in mind the larger narrative of Scripture.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctrine or Devotion? &#171; aGCb // the gospel, biblical theology, missions, SEC football</title>
		<link>http://unlikelychristians.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/love-the-lord-with-all-your-heart-or-mind-doctrinal-devotion-part-2/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Doctrine or Devotion? &#171; aGCb // the gospel, biblical theology, missions, SEC football</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 21:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Jesus, reading, religion, theology by Bryan Barley   We&#8217;ve been talking some over at Unlikely Christians about loving the Lord with heart and mind. Feel free to offer your thoughts if you have any on the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Jesus, reading, religion, theology by Bryan Barley   We&#8217;ve been talking some over at Unlikely Christians about loving the Lord with heart and mind. Feel free to offer your thoughts if you have any on the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 12:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else I noticed as I work with people from my church.  Most of the people I talk to read as much if not more non-Biblical devotional literature.  I find it weird to read books about the Bible and not really know the Bible.  While we were at camp with the students at our church one of the speakers asked how many of them could quote 5 verses from the Bible.  While I&#039;m bigger on understanding than memorization I was shocked at how few students couldn&#039;t quote 5 verses!  You should be able to more or less quote 20-ish verses from Genesis 1 alone!

As far as when I read the Bible, I ask many of the same questions that Brian asks (go figure).  One thing I&#039;ve been trying to do is mix in &quot;reading&quot; with my &quot;study.&quot;  That is, use some time to study the minutiae of a text and use some time just to read large portions of scripture to get a feel for the themes and contours of the canon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else I noticed as I work with people from my church.  Most of the people I talk to read as much if not more non-Biblical devotional literature.  I find it weird to read books about the Bible and not really know the Bible.  While we were at camp with the students at our church one of the speakers asked how many of them could quote 5 verses from the Bible.  While I&#8217;m bigger on understanding than memorization I was shocked at how few students couldn&#8217;t quote 5 verses!  You should be able to more or less quote 20-ish verses from Genesis 1 alone!</p>
<p>As far as when I read the Bible, I ask many of the same questions that Brian asks (go figure).  One thing I&#8217;ve been trying to do is mix in &#8220;reading&#8221; with my &#8220;study.&#8221;  That is, use some time to study the minutiae of a text and use some time just to read large portions of scripture to get a feel for the themes and contours of the canon.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Barley</title>
		<link>http://unlikelychristians.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/love-the-lord-with-all-your-heart-or-mind-doctrinal-devotion-part-2/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Barley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as practical steps that I use, if I&#039;m teaching someone to read the Bible I&#039;m trying to move someone away from the &quot;what does this say about me&quot;-first reading of the text to ask basic questions such as:

What does this text tell me about God?
What does this text tell me about humanity?
What does this text tell me about the gospel?
What is going on in the larger biblical story? (canonical context)
What is the main idea that this text is communicating?

I think in light of being able to answer basic questions like that, we then move and say, &quot;in light of these truths, how should I then live?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as practical steps that I use, if I&#8217;m teaching someone to read the Bible I&#8217;m trying to move someone away from the &#8220;what does this say about me&#8221;-first reading of the text to ask basic questions such as:</p>
<p>What does this text tell me about God?<br />
What does this text tell me about humanity?<br />
What does this text tell me about the gospel?<br />
What is going on in the larger biblical story? (canonical context)<br />
What is the main idea that this text is communicating?</p>
<p>I think in light of being able to answer basic questions like that, we then move and say, &#8220;in light of these truths, how should I then live?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Barley</title>
		<link>http://unlikelychristians.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/love-the-lord-with-all-your-heart-or-mind-doctrinal-devotion-part-2/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Barley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RMGIBBS -

Thanks for your comment. I think your Packer quote is definitely applicable and I&#039;m really excited to hear you&#039;re working through much of this as well. I think we&#039;re always fighting to keep in mind that the study of Scripture is not an ordinary endeavor - whether we&#039;re doing a &quot;quiet time&quot; or doing an academic assignment. It&#039;s a challenge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RMGIBBS -</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. I think your Packer quote is definitely applicable and I&#8217;m really excited to hear you&#8217;re working through much of this as well. I think we&#8217;re always fighting to keep in mind that the study of Scripture is not an ordinary endeavor &#8211; whether we&#8217;re doing a &#8220;quiet time&#8221; or doing an academic assignment. It&#8217;s a challenge!</p>
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		<title>By: Bryan Barley</title>
		<link>http://unlikelychristians.wordpress.com/2009/06/30/love-the-lord-with-all-your-heart-or-mind-doctrinal-devotion-part-2/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Barley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 19:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The reason, I think, that much “devotional” material is so shallow in doctrine is that it is not convinced that an experience with God through His Word is really enough.&quot;

I thought that&#039;s really powerful - it does seem like much of this is a sufficiency of Scripture issue. Perhaps if we understood the magnitude of what we&#039;ve been given through Scripture we&#039;d do things differently!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The reason, I think, that much “devotional” material is so shallow in doctrine is that it is not convinced that an experience with God through His Word is really enough.&#8221;</p>
<p>I thought that&#8217;s really powerful &#8211; it does seem like much of this is a sufficiency of Scripture issue. Perhaps if we understood the magnitude of what we&#8217;ve been given through Scripture we&#8217;d do things differently!</p>
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		<title>By: RMGIBBS</title>
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		<dc:creator>RMGIBBS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 18:57:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something I reflect on constantly as a high school teacher: how do I help Biblical knowledge become something that is life-changing, and not just another academic class assignment.  I&#039;ve been slowly working through J.I. Packer&#039;s Knowing God, and I think this quote has some bearing on the topic...

&quot;How can we turn knowledge about God into knowledge of God?  The rule for doing this is simple but demanding.  It is that we turn each truth that we learn about God into matter for meditation before God, leading to praise and prayer to God.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something I reflect on constantly as a high school teacher: how do I help Biblical knowledge become something that is life-changing, and not just another academic class assignment.  I&#8217;ve been slowly working through J.I. Packer&#8217;s Knowing God, and I think this quote has some bearing on the topic&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;How can we turn knowledge about God into knowledge of God?  The rule for doing this is simple but demanding.  It is that we turn each truth that we learn about God into matter for meditation before God, leading to praise and prayer to God.&#8221;</p>
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